Amazon FAQs

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The following are a collection of Joanie Doss's replies to questions and posts about Amazon parrots. Joanie is widely known for her exceptional knowledge of Amazon parrots, she  is a writer and her articles can be found in many well-known bird publications.

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Hi all! Sam has learnt that wonderful command back off! It took him a while but man he listens! I'm so happy!! Thank you all!

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Congratulations. That is the most wonderful command for an Amazon. I use it quite often. This morning Maggie was trying to open his food door while I was getting his food bowl cleaned. I caught him just before he went through the door and told him "back off". He went back and waited on his perch for me. I generally put a clip on his door now since he is so bent on coming out and harassing Sidney. I forgot to do so this morning and Maggie knew in an instant that I had not put the clip and he could get out.

It is such a great command when you have to feed them and they are hormonal. You will never regret the time it took to teach Sam that.

Joanie Doss / The Amazing Amazons

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Phish is a parvipes YNA. I never see pictures of parvipes, or hear much about them. Are they rare, or do they just get lost in the YNA crowd?

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They do get lost in the crowd and are hard to identify. There are both light beak and dark beak Parvipes. I think my Maggie (Magnum) is a Parvipes as he is small, has red at the bend of the wing, has a lighter beak and lighter nares than my other Napes.

Most people just think they have a Nape and don't realize there are several different types of Napes.

Joanie Doss / The Amazing Amazons

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About wing clipping, my local vet and all the books I've read *say* you shouldn't clip their wings unless you absolutely need to because of confined or dangerous spaces

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European authors advocate no clipping. They do many things in aviculture that are different from here in the US. For most birds clipping is vital to their survival. There are reasons for not clipping such as working with a phobic bird, but it also demands extreme care that the bird does not get outside.

To clip or not to clip is up to the individual and that individual is responsible for the bird's welfare. Both sides must be weighed carefully. More problems will present themselves to the unclipped bird so you would have to be very alert to all potential problems.

Joanie Doss / The Amazing Amazons

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I also like the look of the Yellow Shoulder Amazon. It looks like a small blue front but with a lighter beak and a little white on its head and all around lighter colors from the pictures I have seen. Does anyone know about this species or have one as a pet?

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I can't believe how many people have been asking about Yellow Shoulders lately. I never saved my answers on my computer thinking it was the last time I would be using it. As a result I am typing and retyping this info.

Here is the information on Yellow Shoulders (Amazona barbadensis)

Howard Voren calls them "barbies". He claims they are the Barbie dolls of the Amazon world. He says they are perfectly proportioned and beautifully colored blue-fronted Amazon in miniature--the major difference being that the Barbie has a white forehead and a horn-colored beak."

Length: 12 inches to 13 inches Weight: 280-350 grams...newly hatched chick 10 grams Immatures: Duller with less extensive head coloration. Some have blue on their foreheads. This bird should not be confused with the Yellow Wing that is a subspecies of the Blue-Fronted Amazon. Yellow Wings have dark grey beaks. Barbies eyes change from brown to orange sooner than other species. By three months most Yellow Shoulders have orange eyes where it takes a year for most other species to change.

Subspecies: There is a difference of opinion as to there being two subspecies or not. Howard Voren differs with Joseph Forshaw on describing the two subspecies. A. b. barbadensis and A. b. rothschildi.

They are on Appendix I of CITES. They come from Venezuela...a small coastal area. They are on the international endangered list but not on the federal list. That means they can be freely traded within the US without permits. In Bonaire there are severe droughts. Hungry parrots went into villages to feed on fruits and seeds. Some died of starvation, some shot for eating cultivated crops, and many were trapped. An estimated 200 parrots succumbed to trapping and starvation in 1978. Now there is a program in time of drought to provide food for the parrots so that the local population survives.

It was rare in aviculture but established since it breeds successfully in captivity. When breeding these birds care must be taken that the male does not become aggressive and harm the female. Several experts claim the females have a bluish cast to the cheeks and breast. Sexual maturity is reached at three years of age but often the male is infertile til he is four. The average clutch size is three. There is an incubation period of 26 days and the young leave the nest in about 9 weeks.

Stoodley claims they are too excitable for pets. The young nestlings are playful and inquisitive. As they mature, they do become more aggressive and are kept in pairs as they are very territorial and will defend it at all costs. He goes on to say, "It will be interesting to see if the bold temperament of this parrot is improved with several generations captive bred." I would not be too upset with his assessment of the bird as a pet since he also considers several other species as not good pets and yet friends have them and they are good pets. Decoteau does not say much about their personalities except that they were not broncos (birds that are hard or impossible to tame).

Others have said that these are the top pet bird in Venezuela. They are suppose to have excellent talking ability. I have a post from another list that a breeder says, "They are one of the sweetest Amazons you will find. She raises 4 - 7 babies a year. Voren claims that the pet potential of Barbies is extraordinary. Most remain sweet and gentle into adulthood. He states, "They also have the advantage of being very quiet for an Amazon. These attributes endear them to all who ever have kept them as companions."

In an article for Watchbird May/June 1995, James R. Miller says: "What kind of Amazon would you get if you combined the talking ability of a Yellow-naped Amazon, the affection of a handfed cockatoo and the energy level of a caquie. You would almost for sure end up with a delightful little Yellow-shouldered Amazon.

>From what I have heard, the going price for a Yellow Shoulder in Florida is about $900. At one time they were considered very rare and you would not be able to find them for sale. Now enough are being bred that they are found in the pet trade. The first breeding of the Yellow Shouldered Amazon in the US was by Ramon Noegel of Florida in 1982.

Joanie Doss / The Amazing Amazons

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I think she must have thought she was being punished big time and decided to bite afterwards to deserve the punishment she had just had.

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Amazons seem to have a very idea of right and wrong. When they know they have done something they shouldn't they can receive correction but if they think they are being disciplined unjustly....watch out. The bad part is that their code of ethics (I call it the Amazon code of ethics) and our code of ethics are two different things.

Joanie Doss / The Amazing Amazons

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I was going to say "what about Tucumans?  These are another one that you never read about.

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Mealies, Tucumans, Lilac Crowns, Orange Wings, Red Heads, do not receive the publicity of the others for two main reasons.

1. There are more Blue Fronts, Napes and Double Yellows thus more people talk about them. 2. They don't give their owners the problems that the "hot three" do.

It doesn't mean people aren't interested in them or that they aren't as good of pets. There just aren't as many people that own them to do the talking. On this list I am certain that all the talk about Goober will not make people more aware of the Tucuman and how adorable they can be.

Joanie Doss / The Amazing Amazons

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